Lucid Dreaming and Rubbernecking (interesting combo?)
Posted on Mar 7th, 2006
by
ROb
One of the things I've been reaallly wanting to do for the past two years, is to begin lucid dreaming. It's something I've actually wanted to do since I was a kid, but back then I barely even remembered any dreams, so...well, so I guess it's been progress, even if only in the slow lane.
I've gotten the best book I can find on it (leBerge's, it's KILLER), surfed the sites, asked the questions, found the masters and...And, well it's just not happenin'. Not much luck.
Any lucid dreamers in Zaadz land? I'm envious, if ya are. Of course, at one point I was jealous of people that dreamt, too...and I got over that one. Dream Journaling is definitely worthwhile to any others that have dream-issues.
So, to be honest, the thing I've had the toughest time with is the sticking to the development of the constant-mindfulness that seems to be a part of creating the attentiveness to realize i'm in a dream.
The Book of Secrets (Osho) has a great chapter on lucid dreaming. It basically says that it's a very funny thing to ask "How can I be conscious while dreaming?" since the better question would be "How can I be conscious while awake". What's the difference between waking and dreaming to perception? In both, we're simply taking our sense data without question, and reacting.
So...I'm still stuck. I set reminders in my Outlook and things like this, trying to get the habit of asking "am I dreaming?" or telling myself "This world is a dream." I picked up the habit I heard recommended:
"No man should go to sleep without first recognizing that the world is just a dream."
It's a neat thought before bed, as you go through the days events and they seem...dreamlike.
So here I am today, keeping my self from oggling girls (see older blog entry), and wondering just What do I get out of it? Nancy (thank you, Nancy!) had brought up this idea, and I've thought about it a lot. What do I 'get' out of checking out chicks?
So, as happens, my mind takes off. I start thinking about how 'they' talk of 'energy bodies' and such... There's the body, then the energy-body within, and mine's male. So, maybe through some male-part, female-counterpart empathic mirror-neuronal type way, the self-perceptal feeling of the female form is somehow complimenting the pattern that is being male, leading to euphoric feelings of wholeness which serve as the internal reward device for the external action. Then I think about how crazy all this sounds, laughing at myself as it spins, spins, spins...the world is a dream.
That's it! I have a trigger, pre-installed, which, with a slight mindful-twist, I may be able to benefit in dreaming. It's all so obvious now! (Ha ha ha..i know...)
So, that's my new plan. Some how shift the focus of this chick-checkin'-outin' to be a reminder to mindfully question the reality my mind's creating. An overly-complicated method of self deception to avoid actually gaining the mindfulness required? Prolly, but whuthefuck, right?
I've gotten the best book I can find on it (leBerge's, it's KILLER), surfed the sites, asked the questions, found the masters and...And, well it's just not happenin'. Not much luck.
Any lucid dreamers in Zaadz land? I'm envious, if ya are. Of course, at one point I was jealous of people that dreamt, too...and I got over that one. Dream Journaling is definitely worthwhile to any others that have dream-issues.
So, to be honest, the thing I've had the toughest time with is the sticking to the development of the constant-mindfulness that seems to be a part of creating the attentiveness to realize i'm in a dream.
The Book of Secrets (Osho) has a great chapter on lucid dreaming. It basically says that it's a very funny thing to ask "How can I be conscious while dreaming?" since the better question would be "How can I be conscious while awake". What's the difference between waking and dreaming to perception? In both, we're simply taking our sense data without question, and reacting.
So...I'm still stuck. I set reminders in my Outlook and things like this, trying to get the habit of asking "am I dreaming?" or telling myself "This world is a dream." I picked up the habit I heard recommended:
"No man should go to sleep without first recognizing that the world is just a dream."
It's a neat thought before bed, as you go through the days events and they seem...dreamlike.
So here I am today, keeping my self from oggling girls (see older blog entry), and wondering just What do I get out of it? Nancy (thank you, Nancy!) had brought up this idea, and I've thought about it a lot. What do I 'get' out of checking out chicks?
So, as happens, my mind takes off. I start thinking about how 'they' talk of 'energy bodies' and such... There's the body, then the energy-body within, and mine's male. So, maybe through some male-part, female-counterpart empathic mirror-neuronal type way, the self-perceptal feeling of the female form is somehow complimenting the pattern that is being male, leading to euphoric feelings of wholeness which serve as the internal reward device for the external action. Then I think about how crazy all this sounds, laughing at myself as it spins, spins, spins...the world is a dream.
That's it! I have a trigger, pre-installed, which, with a slight mindful-twist, I may be able to benefit in dreaming. It's all so obvious now! (Ha ha ha..i know...)
So, that's my new plan. Some how shift the focus of this chick-checkin'-outin' to be a reminder to mindfully question the reality my mind's creating. An overly-complicated method of self deception to avoid actually gaining the mindfulness required? Prolly, but whuthefuck, right?

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!!! The Book of Secrets !!!
Love that book! Of course I am a student of Osho…. so I guess that makes me a bit of a biased fan. His perspective and teachings are definitely challenging to any “norm” or regularly acceptable program.
Anywho… great topic…. I can at times realize I am in a dream…. and play with it a bit. Very challenging to do though. I am seriously considering purchasing a digital voice recorder so that I can document my dreams when they wake me in the middle of the night or as I wake. “they say” that is the first step towards purposefully lucid dreaming.
How about the dream you are having right now? If lucid dreaming is about knowing you are dreaming, and about being awake within the dream, then maybe it’s possible you are in a dream at this moment! Dreaming you are reading comments, writing blogs, ogling girls ;-) I have had a dream off and on that may qualify as lucid, it is a dream that I am flying and I am aware that I have left my body and am flying around the room. when it first happened, it scared me, and of course I immediately woke myself up. Since then I am no longer experiencing being “scared”, but have to play with a very fine line of staying awake in the dream or waking up completely into my “real life dream”. It’s all very interesting. I too, am an Osho fan. Great writing. -Henrietta
You make me LOL! Scary to think that a mere comment I made led to such deep exploration!
I love being part of your internal explorations and growth. It is definitely inspiring. Keep blogging about it - I can’t wait to hear more!
I haven’t read that book.. hopefully I can soon. The standard “practice looking at your hands” thing never worked for me. I do try to remember and think about prior dreams while I’m falling asleep, and that seems to help. What works for you?
What helped me is trying to stop myself many times in the day, and ask myself where I am, what I am doing and what I am thinking of. That conditions my Animal Self to carry the habit on to the dream.
Also, Castañeda teaches to look at your own hands while in a dream. If you can do that, you will naturally become conscious.
You guys are awesome, thanks for all of the inspiration and support, it’s great!
The hands thing has never worked for me, either… but really, my main problem is Remembering to Remind myself throughout the day!
This oggling-reminder thing is actually helping out a bunch! So I guess I’d suggest taking a habit that you already have, and tying them together.
It’s pretty trippy, actually…spending so much time telling myself that this reality is only a dream I’m living… whew…makes for odd moments.
Thanks again for the tips! I think i might try and work the hand thing into it, too, and see if i can double-whammy it.
Odd indeed. It is all oddly wonderful. I know very little about lucid dreaming, but I am thrilled to learn more about your experience (all of you!). Thanks!