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ROb : Bliff Coler Is Love Attachment, or Freedom from it?

Is Love Attachment, or Freedom from it?

Posted on Jun 15th, 2006 by ROb : Bliff Coler ROb

A new friend on Zaadz, Todd, had an interesting blog up a few days ago about Attachment and the buddhist concept of Non-Attachment.  He asked a pretty good question in it about something that had been buggin' him: "...how can you not have it [attachment] and still love the world around you?"

Can find the blog here: 

http://sock.zaadz.com/blog/2006/6/attachment

Now, I thought that was a pretty fascinating question. Attachment and the lack of it is something that I've spent a bunch'a time thinkin' about, so I ventured to leave a comment  hoping it might help'im along.  Turns out that I really had no idea what to say on the topic though, so I kinda ended up with one of my muddled babblin' things that I tend to do. He said it was neat, but that he still didn't get it, so I had to wonder: do i?

I started thinking about attachment, and things we'd be attached to.  What about sunsets?  What about somebody that totally digs sunsets and never misses a one - does their attachment cause them suffering?  Well, what happens when the sunset's "over'"; what would they think?  They'd probably just look forward to the next night's, since it happens every day.  Okay, so what about that person getting a night job, and having to spend every evening inside a building with no windows and never getting to see a sunset again?  Would they be devastated?  Would they try and switch to sunrises?  Would they just end up loving the twilight and the extra sun they get during the day?

I had put a quote into Todd's comments that I thought might help him, because i felt that it had helped me in the past. It was something some mystic had said to a dear friend.  --Ack!  I just did some research, and turns out that I biffed up the quote in his comments :-/  Also turns out I got it from Dan Millman!  Go Dan!  Anyway, the REAL quote is:

I love you as much as I've ever loved anyone in my life—and I don't care if I ever see you again.

Turns out it was from Ram Dass.  Sorry for the confusion, Todd...  Anyway, this is even better, because it illustrates my new point quite conveniently ;-)

So, love doesn't necessarily mean attachment; that was the point I was going for.  And I started thinking about my poor person with the sunset problem, and Ram Dass with the love of his friend...  What is the relationship between love and attachment, and what does it mean?

As far as the sunset person, if his love of the twilight was as strong as his love of sunsets, he misses out on the suffering of having the sunsets "taken away" .  What about Dass and his friend?  What if he never Did see his friend again?  What would he have?  

If he never saw his friend again, he may have the feeling of loss, or at least feelings associated with a noticed absence of that friend in his life.  So what if he loved that feeling, too?  It's a very human emotion/experience - the loss of a friend. Actually, it's a very Life experience - I'm thinking of Where the Red Fern Grows, now haha.  Anyway, so it's a big part of being alive, and also a rare opportunity to experience.  What is more beautiful than the emotional feelings of missing a close friend?  

So, it keeps coming to this in my head - attachment through love, and the overcoming of it  through more lovin'.  Is this a part of the message that all them spiritual teachers try to convey?  And how does this help with Tom's question?

How can you have Non-Attachment, AND Love for the world?  Does "By literally having love for all of the world" count as an answer? 

That's really somethin' for me to think about, which is kinda cool.  Even prolly applicable to other things like quitting addictions and stuff...the absence of our desires can be a new unique feeling to appreciate as being a part of the whole life-enchilada?  Huh...I'll have to think about it s'more.  It definitely doesn't seem like an easy goal.

Anyway, so, maybe this'll help ya, Tom!  It may'a at least helped me. (thanks!)

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Sock : Rain drop in the ocean
about 3 hours later
Sock said

Thanks for that Rob. Yes I am still trying to figure this all out. But what you said made sense. It makes me think of what Socrates says to Dan in a peaceful warrior. A warrior does not give up what he loves, he finds the love in what he does.

Also reminds me I still need to find more balance in my life.  As my understanding of de-attachment was in itself an attachment to attachment.

Nicole : herself
4 days later
Nicole said

Hey Rob!  What a great topic you and Todd have been discussing. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and pretend I understand a little of what you all are talking about…  I am not familiar with philosophy per se', so I'm just going to comment about what's coming from here (pointing to my heart).

I feel that one can love without attachment, especially if you're being true to yourself.  This is easier to do by trying to live without regret.  It is freeing in itself.  How can you ever regret saying what is in your heart?  To love without expectation or need, I believe, is true love.  Dan Milman's quote fits perfectly with this.  He is true to himself in knowing he “loves” yet, is unselfish enough to allow freedom from that which he loves.  It is with confidence and conviction he makes his statement. So, to me, loving without attachment is the ultimate love.  No needs, wants or expectations…  It is unconditional and sets one free.

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ROb : Bliff Coler Posted on June 15, 2006
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